A patent for flight simulation? LOL

[Eric]

I'm sure this is old news here, but I just stumbled across the article on
AVSIM about that clown who is attempting to get a patent for flight
simulation. Yeah, he can quit his day job now that millions will be coming
to him in royalties -- NOT!

Wanting to know more, I dug and came across the many alleged accusations of
this individual being essentially a "scam artist". With so many alleged
accusations about illegit "business practices", I'm sure there has to be
fire in the smoke. I definetly won't be giving him any of my money.

I'm very happy with the PMDG 737 (just purchased it) and Flight1's Meridian
2004. Both of these planes are just simply excellent!

[Tom|420]

Post by Eric
I'm sure this is old news here, but I just stumbled across the article on
AVSIM about that clown who is attempting to get a patent for flight
simulation. Yeah, he can quit his day job now that millions will be coming
to him in royalties -- NOT!
Wanting to know more, I dug and came across the many alleged accusations of
this individual being essentially a "scam artist". With so many alleged
accusations about illegit "business practices", I'm sure there has to be
fire in the smoke. I definetly won't be giving him any of my money.
I'm very happy with the PMDG 737 (just purchased it) and Flight1's Meridian
2004. Both of these planes are just simply excellent!

Do you have a link to that? I'm curious to see what he his pretending
holding a patent on. Must not be FS as a whole, since (unless years of
lies) Microsoft bought the original version from a guy in the early 80s.
Maybe the guy claims that one of the module in FS is subject to a patent?

Probably one of those guys who filled a suit against the restaurant who
sold them the coffee they spilled on their shirt.

[Eric]

I had been reading about comparing various payware stuff on AVSIM when I
came across it. There wasn't a seperate html page just for the short
"patent" paragraph, but if you search AVSIM's news archives for "patent" you
will find the following paragraph on the first page:

---------------------------------
Peter Tishma Applies For Patent

AVSIM today found that Peter Tishma, of Papa Tango, World Air Simulations
and Ariane Studios, has applied for the issue of a patent in the arena of
Simulation. The patent application, filed in February 2000, and republished
on August 22nd of this year, contains in its abstract the following "A real
life simulation system is provided on disk and comprises software for
performing the simulation. Software is also provided to display visuals of
an environment in which the simulation is running. Further means allow
electronic access to text or audio information related to the simulation or
environment. The simulation may be based on a PC. The information may
include physically printed full colour text, data or pictures." For a full
read of the patent application you can view it here. Note that you will need
Adobe Acrobat Reader to view this. We are looking into this and will be
reporting further on this patent application and its implications.
-----------------------------------

The first paragraph on that page also describes some other "practices" this
person has been up to...

Also a longer article (html page of it's own):
http://www.avsim.com/pages/0902/pt_again.html

[Alan Mackie]

Eric :>

Post by Eric
Peter Tishma Applies For Patent

I assume that US laws are on the same basis as the UK and the rest of
the world in this area. There are reciprocal agreements, so it's a fair
bet, though I'm no leagle.

Post by Eric
AVSIM today found that Peter Tishma, of Papa Tango, World Air Simulations
and Ariane Studios, has applied for the issue of a patent in the arena of
Simulation. The patent application, filed in February 2000, and republished
on August 22nd of this year,

The UK patent office

http://www.patent.gov.uk/patent/definition.htm

has this:

To be patentable your invention must:

Be new

The invention must never have been made public in any way, anywhere in
the world, before the date on which an application for a patent is
filed.

Involve an inventive step

An invention involves an inventive step if, when compared with what is
already known, it would not be obvious to someone with a good knowledge
and experience of the subject.

:ends

So, that being the case, he's dead in the water from the outset.

[Eric]

Thanks for point that out. Thats an interesting clause that I guess serves
as a safety net to prevent clowns like this from trying these type of
stunts...

LOL, I didn't think for a second he had any hope, I just thought it was
funny that someone actually tried...

[George Lewis]

since flight sims have been around while, he won't get anywhere with
this at all, unless he can prove he came up with the idea originally,
but even then, he lost out by not applying for a patent long ago


On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 01:59:38 -0500, "Eric"

Post by Eric
I had been reading about comparing various payware stuff on AVSIM when I
came across it. There wasn't a seperate html page just for the short
"patent" paragraph, but if you search AVSIM's news archives for "patent" you
---------------------------------
Peter Tishma Applies For Patent
AVSIM today found that Peter Tishma, of Papa Tango, World Air Simulations
and Ariane Studios, has applied for the issue of a patent in the arena of
Simulation. The patent application, filed in February 2000, and republished
on August 22nd of this year, contains in its abstract the following "A real
life simulation system is provided on disk and comprises software for
performing the simulation. Software is also provided to display visuals of
an environment in which the simulation is running. Further means allow
electronic access to text or audio information related to the simulation or
environment. The simulation may be based on a PC. The information may
include physically printed full colour text, data or pictures." For a full
read of the patent application you can view it here. Note that you will need
Adobe Acrobat Reader to view this. We are looking into this and will be
reporting further on this patent application and its implications.
-----------------------------------
The first paragraph on that page also describes some other "practices" this
person has been up to...
http://www.avsim.com/pages/0902/pt_again.html

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[Tom|420]

Post by Eric
I had been reading about comparing various payware stuff on AVSIM when I
came across it. There wasn't a seperate html page just for the short
"patent" paragraph, but if you search AVSIM's news archives for "patent" you
---------------------------------
Peter Tishma Applies For Patent
AVSIM today found that Peter Tishma, of Papa Tango, World Air Simulations
and Ariane Studios, has applied for the issue of a patent in the arena of
Simulation. The patent application, filed in February 2000, and republished
on August 22nd of this year, contains in its abstract the following "A real
life simulation system is provided on disk and comprises software for
performing the simulation. Software is also provided to display visuals of
an environment in which the simulation is running. Further means allow
electronic access to text or audio information related to the simulation or
environment. The simulation may be based on a PC. The information may
include physically printed full colour text, data or pictures." For a full
read of the patent application you can view it here. Note that you will need
Adobe Acrobat Reader to view this. We are looking into this and will be
reporting further on this patent application and its implications.
-----------------------------------
The first paragraph on that page also describes some other "practices" this
person has been up to...
http://www.avsim.com/pages/0902/pt_again.html

So that is the patent? This patent is unreceivable, as what is described
here already existed (in many forms) prior to registration.

I'm not a lawyer, but AFAIK you can only patent something that *you*
invented. It's ok to patent something some time *after* you made it
commercially available (this often occurs when someone invents something
but doesn't think of patenting it at the time, than make it commercially
availabe, then realize he has competition, so he patents it to remove
[temporarily] the competition). I would guess that in this case the
duration on the patent is shortened to match the duration it would had
if it was registered before being made commercially available.

Since FS was on the market more than 20 years before 2000 it sure
doesn't match the maximum duration of a patent (which is 5 years I believe).

Again I'm not a lawyer, but I don't find that the patent as described
above matches FS very well anyway. And if a lawyer/judge finds that it
matches FS, than it would also match all other kind of simulators (such
as driving simulators [those existed in the 80s]).

***

Ok I just read the full patent claim before I've hit Send. That just
bullshit. The text seems to deliberately describe Flight Simulator 2000.
I wouldn't take this seriously.

tom :)

[CrazyCam]

Tom|420 wrote:

<snip>

Post by Tom|420
Again I'm not a lawyer, but I don't find that the patent as described
above matches FS very well anyway. And if a lawyer/judge finds that it
matches FS, than it would also match all other kind of simulators (such
as driving simulators [those existed in the 80s]).

Hi Tom. Your comment set me to a wee google, and I found a couple of
sites which might be of interest to some of us.

http://www.bleep.demon.co.uk/SimHist1.html for the whole history of
flight simulation, and
http://simflight.com/~fshistory/fsh/ for the history of Flight Simulator.

regards,
CrazyCam

[Tom Allensworth]

I wouldn't get too excited about this folks. Its old news. But, the patent
application isn't THE issue. THE issue was the intent. Another attempt by PT
to corner the market (following on his lame brained attempt at cornering
liveries, starting with AA). That was what we were reporting and we were
hoping to guard against. PT got cut off at the knees, and hasn't raised his
little pointy head above the fox hole since. But when he does, we'll be
watching very closely. LOL

Tom Allensworth
AVSIM Online

Post by Tom|420

Post by Eric
I had been reading about comparing various payware stuff on AVSIM when I
came across it. There wasn't a seperate html page just for the short
"patent" paragraph, but if you search AVSIM's news archives for "patent" you
---------------------------------
Peter Tishma Applies For Patent
AVSIM today found that Peter Tishma, of Papa Tango, World Air Simulations
and Ariane Studios, has applied for the issue of a patent in the arena of
Simulation. The patent application, filed in February 2000, and republished
on August 22nd of this year, contains in its abstract the following "A real
life simulation system is provided on disk and comprises software for
performing the simulation. Software is also provided to display visuals of
an environment in which the simulation is running. Further means allow
electronic access to text or audio information related to the simulation or
environment. The simulation may be based on a PC. The information may
include physically printed full colour text, data or pictures." For a full
read of the patent application you can view it here. Note that you will need
Adobe Acrobat Reader to view this. We are looking into this and will be
reporting further on this patent application and its implications.
-----------------------------------
The first paragraph on that page also describes some other "practices" this
person has been up to...
http://www.avsim.com/pages/0902/pt_again.html

So that is the patent? This patent is unreceivable, as what is described
here already existed (in many forms) prior to registration.
I'm not a lawyer, but AFAIK you can only patent something that *you*
invented. It's ok to patent something some time *after* you made it
commercially available (this often occurs when someone invents something
but doesn't think of patenting it at the time, than make it commercially
availabe, then realize he has competition, so he patents it to remove
[temporarily] the competition). I would guess that in this case the
duration on the patent is shortened to match the duration it would had
if it was registered before being made commercially available.
Since FS was on the market more than 20 years before 2000 it sure
doesn't match the maximum duration of a patent (which is 5 years I believe).
Again I'm not a lawyer, but I don't find that the patent as described
above matches FS very well anyway. And if a lawyer/judge finds that it
matches FS, than it would also match all other kind of simulators (such
as driving simulators [those existed in the 80s]).
***
Ok I just read the full patent claim before I've hit Send. That just
bullshit. The text seems to deliberately describe Flight Simulator 2000.
I wouldn't take this seriously.
tom :)

[2992]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:03:06 -0500, "Eric"

Post by Eric
I'm very happy with the PMDG 737 (just purchased it) and Flight1's Meridian
2004. Both of these planes are just simply excellent!

I own both of those planes too. Meridian is lovely and the 737 is just
a joy to fly (love that FMC!). I've got a great tutorial on the FMC if
you need one, just let me know, will email it to you:

=REMOVE_=***@cox-internet.com

2992

[2992]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:03:06 -0500, "Eric"

Post by Eric
I'm very happy with the PMDG 737 (just purchased it) and Flight1's Meridian
2004. Both of these planes are just simply excellent!

http://www.simradar.com/File/2395/PMDG_Flight_Tutorial_v2.html

There's a Tut for the FMC, it's the best one out there.

2992

[Eric]

Post by 2992
http://www.simradar.com/File/2395/PMDG_Flight_Tutorial_v2.html
There's a Tut for the FMC, it's the best one out there.

That is really good, thanks...

Unfortunetly, even as excellent as the PMDG is, I'm going to be temporarily
taking a little break away from FS9.

I made a horrible mistake a few days ago. While going through some old
software (deciding what to keep and what to pitch) I came across "Falcon
4.0", which had been collecting dust for quite a while. I thought I would
install it just to "play around a little bit", but you know how that goes.
It wasn't long before I was downloading and installing all the excellent
addons out there for it now. (SP3, Freefalcon2, BMS, FF2.1, hires textures,
new theaters, etc). I'm dragged in now beyond the point of return. I can't
believe how much Falcon has matured...